Update — It would be good to have some measurable yardsticks for GTD competence. Right now the g_GTD_zbs tag includes at least 50 blogs.
XR, (letter sent in July 2010)
Here the goal is not getting the job but keeping the job. You said there’s a difference between a knowledgeable java student and an experienced java developer.
I said I only did java for 3 years.. well maybe 4. I think much of that time I was doing repetitive work, not learning. About half the time (1-2 years) I was learning, by experimenting, reading, discussing, debugging… (I actually learned a lot of java from our long phone conversations.)
I feel if a bright young guy is given a good training project, then in 6 – 24 months he might be able to reach my level of java proficiency.
I also said a lot of young coders could become faster than me with a specific java task after a few months of java learning. Well … an apprentice carpenter could become faster than his master at sawing along a line, but can’t replace the master completely. I feel the hundreds of decisions made each week by an experienced java developer are often based on more experience.
C# is probably same thing – 6 to 24 months to become effective. A very experienced c# friend told me “3 months”. I spent about 6 serious months and another 12 repetitive months on c#…
Venkat, one of the fastest-learning developers I have worked with, said (in Lau Pa Sa) “To get really competent with a new language (like java, c#, python) honestly you need at least one year.” Venkat had the strongest C++ skill I know. I witnessed how he picked up c#. He later struggled a bit with java.
The 64 million dollar question is, what are the really effective learning strategies. I don’t have good answers. Guo Qiao was an advocate of programmer online learning. Some people even suggest taking part in open source projects, to learn from practicing master programmers… I’d love to hear your input.